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Jun. 4th, 2008

Please, internet, STFU about all this stupid "It's official, Obama wins the nomination" shit. It's NOT official, and Hillary is obviously(per her speech tonight) going to continue to be a retarded bitch about it. I'm happy that he's winning too, but it's not over till the fat lady concedes, so shut it!

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withbutterflies
Jun. 4th, 2008 07:21 am (UTC)
OFF topic political gripe......
Laws knows I've supported Obama all the way, but even I am tired of his pie-in-the-sky ideas with no plan to speak of. I'm sure he has one, but I'd like to hear about it. One man (even with a perfectly picked Cabinet) can NOT change all of Washington so if people are really buying that, they're delusional.

I want to hear more "here is how" and less "Yes We Can!"

Still, Mrs Clinton needs to pack it in. I agree. I also don't understand all the hate for her from a lot of people who support him. Their platforms aren't THAT different so it seems to me to be more of a personality/personal thing which is a scary way to pick a candidate.

Ok, I'm done!
billdo1
Jun. 4th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Re: OFF topic political gripe......
Not to be snarky, but Obama wrote a whole book about it, which is about as highly readible as any political statement I've ever read. Take it out from the library and read it to get an idea of what he's looking to do.

He's also got a website full of details.

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justplainbryan
Jun. 4th, 2008 01:16 pm (UTC)
You know, I gotta disagree. Obama has the delegate count needed to win. How is that not the same as officially winning, regardless of what Clinton does?
tpbrcombo
Jun. 4th, 2008 01:32 pm (UTC)
Obviously I don't know if it's the same in the USA, but in Australia it is conventional (and I would say gracious) for the respective candidate's senior staff to contact each other and sort out that the candidate who has obviously lost on the numbers will concede defeat, followed by the other candidate claiming victory. It happens that way at every level of government, and because it's such an intrinsic action now, media and other interested parties don't herald a victory/defeat until this takes place.

So I agree with Vince, I don't think it's official until the fat lady sings. But then, watching this from Australia, she doesn't appear to be one for convention, or mathematics, or graciousness of any sort for that matter.
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flyp
Jun. 4th, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC)
The last AP count I saw had him crossing the line of delegates needed, but I think they were including supers in that as well-and since they can easily change their minds with no repercussions, you're right, I don't know that he 'officially' has everything sewn up.

On another note, happy birthday. Since you're an immigrant, I'm going to go ahead and point out that it's customary in this country for the persona de cumpleanos to give out gifts. So send me some of those pupusas, bitch.
democritus
Jun. 4th, 2008 03:21 pm (UTC)
That's the thing. The superdelegates. I don't believe for a second that Hillary isn't trying to finagle some sort of deal with them. So, it'll be official either when she concedes or when he's actually chosen.
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pricciar
Jun. 4th, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
Happy Birthday, George Washington Carver!

pat
democritus
Jun. 4th, 2008 04:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks, you know, I invented the peanut!
troymccluresf
Jun. 4th, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
Amen. Obama's people have cried "wolf" on Hillary so many times, I won't believe it until I see his name on the ballot in November.
lumpyone
Jun. 4th, 2008 03:57 pm (UTC)
Face it, Obama won the nomination last night. Any Democratic candidate for President needs 2118 delegates to get the nomination and he received more than that last night. No, this shouldn't include any Super Delegates because the Super Delegates votes ONLY count in the case that none of the candidates receive the required 2118+ votes. However, if the numbers being posted DID include the Super Delegates, then its rather bold of Obama and the Media to claim he has won with no one pointing out those include the Super Delegates. I can't find anything that says if those numbers do or do not include the Super Delegates.

So many people were fearing the Super Delegates would have to make a choice and there wouldn't be any general public opinion favoring one candidate over the other, thus a big concern over a unified party. Granted, there is still the concern with the primary going this long, but its not as major due to the democratic voters having had their say with a majority of them supporting Obama.

The only thing at this point that would keep Obama from getting the nomination at the Democratic Party convention is the Democratic Convention deciding out of no where they would go with Hillary but that would spark such a controversy, McCain might as well just stop campaigning because he'd win with no unity on the Democratic side.

I find Hillary not conceding at this point a real flaw of her character. Its one thing to be tenacious and fighting hard, its another to keep beating a dead horse when you've lost the race because your pride can't admit you've lost. I know people who were for Hillary that are now backing away from any support for just that reason. She is making herself look a sore loser. Oh, and speaking of losing.. why would she claim this isn't over, then admit she would consider being Obama's VP?! Come on! You might as well concede when you make a statement like that, because that tells me she already knows she has lost and is already angling for the VP spot.

What's most important though, is the perception of the American people. The general populace as of last night are agreeing that Obama has won, even though its only the media proclaiming it. Hell, Obama showed himself the better candidate when weeks ago he had started to proceed as if he had already won and began work on getting the campaign for president started. Even McCain at that point was acting like Obama was going to be his opponent with his attacks.

America has achieved a historical moment here, with a... which term is correct these days.. black man?, african-american? finally getting a chance to run as president. We, as a country, could be seeing the First Black President in our 200+ years and purpose our first woman VP? Even a woman VP would be a huge achievement. Hillary has show a woman candidate has potential to win the nomination, even if not this time around, AND if we get a woman VP, it just opens the door more for another woman to run and become President.

/rant off :)

Btw.. Happy Birthday!! :D



Edited at 2008-06-04 04:30 pm (UTC)
democritus
Jun. 4th, 2008 04:46 pm (UTC)
Well, all I can say is, I really hope you're right. I'm not trying to be obtuse about it, I'm just very, very distrusting of the system. I guess I feel I've been burnt bad by the Bush regime and I feel Hillary has the nerve to try something really tricky in the upcoming months.

And thank you!
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sarahpolk
Jun. 4th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Actually what's even more irritating than the "Obama wins nomination" is the "Hillary vying for VP" articles. Those are REALLY irritating because you know, it just ain't gonna happen.
democritus
Jun. 4th, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)
ROFL, your icon wins!
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saxface
Jun. 4th, 2008 06:16 pm (UTC)
Happy Birthday!!!
democritus
Jun. 4th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks Mel!
thinksnow
Jun. 4th, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
Congrats on not dying for another year!
democritus
Jun. 4th, 2008 09:38 pm (UTC)
Danke!
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